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Lengthy-Time period Monetary Wellness for Your Household With Michael Stevens

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Katie: Whats up, and welcome to the “Wellness Mama” podcast. I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com and wellnesse.com, my new private care line. That’s Wellnesse with an E on the top. This episode deviates from the bodily elements of well being, however into one other space that can also be crucial, and that’s monetary wellness and long-term monetary wellbeing as a result of statistically, monetary struggles are a serious supply of stress for many people and likewise a serious supply of relationship stress for a lot of {couples}. I feel this final 12 months has made that much more acute for lots of people. And I assumed it was vital to start out a dialog round this subject.

I’m right here with Michael Stevens who runs capitalwealth.com. And he’s been one among my factors of contact for determining a few of these methods myself. And I needed to share them with you guys at present. We go into from very primary degree issues like financial savings versus investing and how much methods to arrange for this after which additionally into some much less well-known, however tax helpful methods that you need to use for your loved ones, even that youngsters can usually use from a younger age that result in long-term wealth. He breaks down a few of his most used methods together with his shoppers and likewise offers some ideas for constructing a powerful basis for lifelong monetary well being together with your children. Like I mentioned, positively a unique subject, however I feel a vital one, particularly proper now. So, with out additional ado, let’s be part of Mike. Mike Stevens, welcome to the podcast.

Michael: Hey Katie, I’m excited to be right here, and thanks for having me.

Katie: I’m so excited to speak with you as a result of any of my longtime listeners know I cowl an entire lot of matters associated to well being and wellness. And once we have a look at the statistics, it looks like funds are literally a serious supply of stress for lots of people. And I’ve talked about stress lots on right here as a result of it has a cascade impact into each space of our life. However I feel funds are an enormous supply of stress. And this previous 12 months has compounded that even for lots of people, and particularly for lots of households. And you’re the finest skilled I do know within the space of economic wellness. And I assumed it will be actually related and vital to, form of, delve into this space, particularly from the main target of what we will do as households to organize and have higher monetary wellness in our every day lives. And in order that’s why I used to be so excited to carry you on. I do know it is a large subject and there’s numerous totally different instructions we’re gonna go. However to start out us off broad, are you able to simply, form of, give us an outline of the work that you simply do with regards to monetary wellness and preparedness?

Michael: Yeah, completely. And thanks a lot for having me on as a visitor. Katie, I do know that numerous your listeners, such as you mentioned, are into the bodily elements of well being and wellness. However once more, like what you had been saying, the monetary facet of well being and wellness is so vital. So, what we actually deal with at my agency, Capital Wealth Advisors, is giving individuals peace of thoughts and readability with their funds. And I at all times inform those who we don’t work for Wall Avenue. We work for our consumer’s finest curiosity. And that’s actually vital. I’d say, in the beginning, as an advisor, it’s a must to be working with somebody who’s a fiduciary. And it’d be no totally different than going to a physician that doesn’t actually care about what’s occurring in your life versus somebody that, you already know, they’re invested in ensuring that you simply succeed. So numerous what we find yourself doing is issues from a complete standpoint to offer individuals monetary peace and wellness of their life in order that they’ll benefit from the issues with household and pals, and simply the targets that they wanna obtain of their life.

Katie: Yeah, that’s so vital. What are a few of these issues that you simply begin to take a look at? As a result of I do know from my very own, form of, journey over the past 15 years of being married and having children, within the very starting, funds had been so tight that it was simply actually like month-to-month survival to pay payments. And it took a mindset shift for me as, like, we began to have the ability to develop issues a bit of bit to have the ability to be actually clever with these sources and work out learn how to put them in locations that may result in development and safety over time. So what are a few of these elements that you simply have a look at? Clearly, I’m certain persons are beginning in numerous totally different locations. However what do you begin by ?

Michael: Completely. You already know, our core specialty is working with people who find themselves nearing retirement or in retirement, however we assist individuals from each stage of the sport. And, you already know, in some unspecified time in the future in my life, I used to be simply starting as nicely too identical to you and your husband. And the actually vital factor for individuals to understand is that it isn’t as daunting as what it appears. And now, with the web and issues like YouTube and nice books, there’s numerous actually good sources to make use of to have the ability to plan your monetary future. You already know, there’s that outdated Chinese language proverb that claims, “The very best time to plant a tree was 20 years in the past. After which the second-best time is now.” So, the explanation why I’m sharing that with the listeners right here is as a result of I simply wanna encourage individuals, don’t wait as a result of for those who begin small, and simply hold going and construct off that momentum, sooner or later, you’re gonna look again and go, “Wow, I’m so glad that I began. I had no thought I’d make that large of a distinction.”

Katie: Completely. And that’s one other nice corollary with well being as nicely is, you already know, like, any form of coaching or getting wholesome, the very best time to start out is a very very long time in the past. The second-best time is true now. And people issues construct over time slowly that generally you don’t even discover, till sooner or later it’s a very profound change. And also you talked about working extra with individuals as they get near retirement. And I do know I’ve seen statistics that it looks like because the generations have gone, persons are making ready much less and fewer, not even simply saving much less and fewer from a financial perspective, however making ready much less and fewer for that. And it nearly looks like what we used to consider as the thought of retirement has morphed as nicely. Like, we don’t see individuals usually as usually working for a similar firm and having simply retirement advantages that completely present for them as they become old. Is that what you’re discovering as nicely?

Michael: Yeah, completely. And I feel numerous it has to do with the way in which our society is changing into. Beforehand, you already know, our grandparents, they weren’t into on the spot gratification as a lot as we are actually with with the ability to scroll on Fb or Instagram and, form of, get an endorphin hit, simply from what we’d like proper now. You’ll be able to watch, you already know, video on demand with Netflix., and so on. However the entire thing is, is that I’d inform individuals that you simply don’t wanna commerce your monetary peace of thoughts for being an impulsive purchaser. And what I imply by that’s that you must be devoted and say, “Look, I’ve a objective that I wanna retire.” And actually, Katie, the earlier that somebody will get began on this, the higher it’s gonna be. It actually has a compound impact. Identical to you mentioned, on well being and wellness, the identical factor goes for monetary. In case you can say, “I’m gonna be devoted and I’m gonna put apart X quantity of {dollars} a month, or hey, I’m not gonna be an impulsive purchaser and exit and purchase one thing immediately simply because I need it,” you’re gonna discover that you simply’re gonna save much more cash.

And whereas it’s, you already know, at all times enjoyable to maintain up with the Joneses, there is a component of stress that comes together with that. And, you already know, I’ve seen individuals which are a few of the most happiest individuals of their life, they stay a really modest way of life, and so they take pleasure in their time with their household and pals however they don’t have issues like debt hanging over them. And that’s actually demanding for lots of people. So, I’d simply counsel to anybody listening, for those who haven’t already began, simply have a disciplined plan. And it doesn’t imply that it’s a must to stay on any, form of, price range the place you’re consuming simply rice and beans, however do issues like pay your self first. I’m additionally an enormous proponent of charity as nicely. So, taking a few of your cash that you simply’re incomes and paying it ahead, I discover that helps you be extra blissful in life if you’re blessing the lives of different individuals as a result of actually, that’s what cash is. Cash is a instrument, and you need to use cash to enlarge your self. And for those who’re a great individual, and also you give your time, and also you give cash, and also you’re disciplined, you’re gonna discover much more happiness in your life.

Katie: So what are a few of these particular issues that folks can begin to study and begin to prioritize after they get to the purpose of getting, hopefully, money owed paid off, issues like that? Is there, like, a triage that you simply work by way of with individuals after they are available and determining the highest priorities and the place these sources may be finest used?

Michael: Yeah, I’m actually glad that you simply requested that query as a result of there’s about three issues that we have a look at for individuals. One is charges. Charges matter. And I hope that every one the listeners listening to this may at all times bear in mind this analogy. However charges are like working into the wind with a parachute on. It’s gonna actually gradual you again. And if you consider it, when anybody goes all the way down to, you already know, like Las Vegas or one thing, you’ve all these stunning casinos. Clearly, they’re constructed due to what individuals have misplaced. Financially, these casinos are constructed up and so they’re actually fairly. The identical goes for Wall Avenue. You already know, Wall Avenue have these stunning ivory towers. You already know, if you stroll in, there’s, you already know, marble, and granite, and stuff everywhere. That’s due to charges. So, we attempt to encourage individuals simply to know first, what are the charges that they’re paying of their monetary elements of their funding life? And for those who don’t know what your charges are, then attain out to your advisor. And for those who don’t have an advisor, begin doing a bit of little bit of analysis and determining what the charges are as a result of charges completely make a distinction.

The following factor that I inform individuals is taxes. And other people at all times have a look at me sideways after I speak about taxes. And right here’s the explanation why it’s so vital to know about taxes if you’re speaking about investments. My dad taught me early in life, it’s not how a lot you make, it’s how a lot you retain that counts. So, proper now, consider it or not, taxes are on sale. In case you go all the way in which again to 1913, that’s when taxes started in the US. Taxes have gone actually, actually excessive earlier than. I’ll share with you a real story. Ronald Reagan, earlier than he was the president, he was an actor. Ronald Reagan would solely make about two films per 12 months. The rationale why he solely made two films per 12 months is he was contracted with the studios to make about $100,000 per film. So, on the time within the ’40s and ’50s within the State of California, when Ronald Reagan was making these films, he was in a 94% tax bracket on something that he would earn over $200,000. So for, you already know, widespread sense functions, he wouldn’t work something after these two films had been made and he would simply experience his horses on his ranch and pay his remaining taxes to the State of California.

So, once more, going again to that complete mindset of taxes being at an all-time low proper now, you already know, the highest tax bracket is 35%. And once more, if you return to what Ronald Reagan was paying when he was within the ’40s and ’50s on $200,000, which by the way in which, was some huge cash again then. However $200,000, 94% tax bracket, ouch. So, taxes are on sale. So, you already know, what’s actually vital about this, and I do know that I’m most likely throwing lots on the listeners suddenly, and hopefully, they’re taking notes, and going again and listening to this part once more as a result of that is form of an vital level, the federal deficit proper now, Katie, as we’re speaking in March, is $28 trillion. And to place that into perspective, for those who return 1 trillion seconds in the past, that was 31,688 years in the past, 1 trillion seconds. The Nationwide deficit is $28 trillion and we’re good on the cusp of including one other $2 trillion stimulus bundle. Individuals need to pay for that.

So, if you’re working and also you’re placing cash into tax-deferred accounts, like your 401(ok)s or 403(b)s, something the place it’s a must to pay taxes later in life, you would possibly take into account doing a Roth contribution. And that’s tax-free cash. So taxes are on sale. After which the final and I feel an important factor, and we’ll dive extra into this a bit of bit, however you must have a written revenue plan. And cash is a type of issues between {couples} that there’s disagreements. And I misplaced my dad at an early age, and bless my dad’s coronary heart, he was a incredible man, he took care of taxes, investments, insurance coverage, all the pieces for my mother, and my two sisters, and myself. And once we misplaced my dad, tragically and unexpectedly when he was 49 years outdated, my mother had no clue the place to show. She didn’t know what to do. Now, had my mother had communicated with my dad and so they had a written plan of right here’s once we wanna retire, right here’s how a lot we have to save, and right here’s how a lot revenue we will take out of the retirement plan in order that if one among us will get sick sooner or later or each of us that we’re gonna be okay.

You already know, if I had been to be sitting on a airplane proper now going to Hawaii, and the pilot comes on and he says, “You already know what? I’m excited, girls and gents, to fly you to Hawaii. It’s gentle winds and 87 levels. And this airplane has a 42% chance of success of constructing it to Hawaii.” I’m probably not certain that I’d keep on that airplane. So, going into your retirement years and never having an precise plan that’s stress-tested for the great and dangerous and realizing that that plan is gonna work out, that may really be a very dangerous factor. You don’t wanna hope and a prayer plan. You need an precise written revenue plan. So, these are, form of, the three issues to recap, is charges matter, taxes matter, and having an precise written revenue plan.

Katie: I’m glad you introduced that up about taxes. That had at all times been my hesitation with something that was tax-deferred of simply, like, if we have a look at historical past, are the chances that taxes are going to go up or down? And up appears extra probably. And I feel Roths are an ideal choice. For anyone who’s not accustomed to that, are you able to stroll us by way of what a Roth is and the way they work? As a result of I do know that additionally some individuals aren’t in a position to arrange a Roth.

Michael: Yeah, thanks for asking that. So you actually have buckets that the IRS simply determines you on the way you’re gonna be taxed on one thing. And, form of, the widespread buckets on the market, you’ve heard of an IRA and also you’ve heard of a 401(ok) and 403(b) probably, these are a tax-deferred bucket. And what meaning is that if you go and also you see your CPA, and your CPA, bless their coronary heart, says, “Hey, you wanna get monetary savings in taxes this 12 months. Go forward and put cash into this 401(ok) or IRA, this tax-deferred bucket, and it’s gonna prevent cash.” Effectively, what lots of people don’t perceive, and it was myself included earlier than I received into the trade, is that doesn’t imply that you simply’re not paying taxes on that cash. It simply implies that you’re deferring it to a later level sooner or later. And such as you mentioned, there’s a excessive chance of success that taxes are gonna go up sooner or later. In order that’s actually a short-term strategy, simply saying, “Hey, let’s commerce one thing for proper now that sooner or later is likely to be much more.”

So, lots of people don’t notice that there’s one thing known as a Roth IRA. And for those who’re working, your employer could have what’s known as a Roth 401(ok). And what meaning is that you simply’re eligible to place cash into this account. And there are guidelines round it. I’ll go over that in a single second. However there’s an account which you could put cash into the place you’ve already paid the tax. After which as soon as the cash goes into this Roth account or Roth 401(ok), it’ll develop and develop and develop and by no means be taxed ever once more sooner or later. So why does that matter? Effectively, once more, if we have a look at the nationwide deficit, a couple of issues are gonna have to occur for the deficit to return down. One, both the federal government’s gonna need to spend much less. Yeah, proper. I doubt that’s gonna occur. Or two, what’s gonna occur is that they’re gonna attain into your tax-deferred account and say, “Hey, thanks a lot. We actually recognize you working onerous. We’re simply gonna improve taxes and take extra of your retirement cash in your tax-deferred facet.” However after getting it into the Roth account, there are completely no taxes that may ever be taken out.

So, once more, that’s why I mentioned, taxes are on sale. And if you wish to purchase one thing, and you must purchase one thing, and that merchandise is on sale, that most likely is smart at a great level to really purchase it whereas they’re on sale. Katie, I do wanna point out, nearly generally individuals aren’t conscious, even when they’re incomes an excessive amount of cash…Let me really again that up for one second, how a Roth IRA will work. And this isn’t a Roth 401(ok) however a Roth IRA is for those who’re youthful than age 50, you’re allowed to place $6,000 per individual, per 12 months right into a Roth IRA, that tax-free bucket. In case you are over the age of fifty, you’re allowed to do an additional $1,000 contribution catch-up. So that you and your partner might do $7,000 per individual per 12 months. Nonetheless, something that’s good for the IRS, they usually restrict us. So, there are guidelines and also you wanna positively speak to a CPA or an accountant and just remember to’re eligible.

However for those who’re incomes an excessive amount of cash, the IRS says, “Hey, sorry, you’re doing too nicely in life. We’re not gonna allow you to put your cash into tax-free.” There are some autos on the facet that in case your listeners wanna attain out, we might speak about however there are tax-free alternate options. However going again to that Roth IRA, for those who’re incomes an excessive amount of cash, and you may’t contribute to a Roth IRA, and also you do have a tax-deferred account, you is likely to be eligible to do what’s known as a Roth conversion. And that’s a bit of identified factor that lots of people don’t notice is that for those who say, “Hey, that’s me. I’ve put numerous my cash right into a tax-deferred account, and I really feel like taxes would possibly go up, how do I hold extra of what’s mine?” Effectively, that you can really do some Roth conversions. And the draw back is, is you gotta pay some taxes to get it into the tax-free bucket. However, once more, like I discussed, taxes are on sale. So, each single individual has their very own magic tax quantity. It’s important to know the way a lot is suitable so that you can convert.

Katie: Yeah, that’s…We had to do this as a result of we didn’t perceive all of this early on both. And so we ended up changing some issues right into a Roth. However I feel one other level right here that’s attention-grabbing to speak about, I do know there’s gonna be complexities. And the reply is totally gonna be that folks have to have private recommendation on this. However what we discovered in addition to there are methods to, as your children become old, construction a few of these issues for them, particularly with regards to a Roth. In case you personal a enterprise, as an illustration, or have sure kinds of work preparations, they’ll contribute to a Roth as nicely. I do know you already know this world higher. However are you able to, form of, give us that overview for these of us who’ve older children who’re beginning to work?

Michael: Completely. So, one of many guidelines to have in a Roth IRA is it’s a must to have what’s known as earned revenue. And in case your partner works and also you don’t, and also you’re underneath the IRS high-risk threshold, then congratulations, you’re eligible to do a Roth IRA. Nonetheless, you already know, most of our youngsters who’re younger nonetheless that aren’t working a job, they’re not incomes, you already know, earned revenue, they wanna be capable to say…Excuse me, I ought to say that numerous our shoppers, they wanna educate their children in regards to the energy of compound curiosity and saving for retirement. So, we use some totally different different autos to Roth IRA. Personally, I exploit what’s known as an overfunded index common life coverage. And I do know that I’m giving your viewers numerous, form of, in-depth info that is likely to be a bit of bit onerous to digest. And that’s okay as a result of this monetary stuff may be difficult, however it will also be actually clear for those who simply take your time.

Let me clarify to you why I exploit an overfunded index common life coverage. While you’re utilizing a life insurance coverage coverage, and I’ve to emphasise this, not all life insurance coverage insurance policies are the identical. Life insurance coverage, they’re a type of investments that it might really be actually dangerous so that you can do if it’s not correctly structured or the flip facet of the coin, if one thing is correctly structured, it may be completely superior. So that you at all times need to just remember to’re working with a fiduciary and somebody that actually understands learn how to construction these correctly since you wouldn’t wanna do one thing after which discover out that it was the worst mistake doable to make.

However what will we do for our children as a result of they’re younger, I’ve an 8-year-old, a 5-year-old, and a 2-year-old, they’re not working a job. In order that they don’t have earned revenue. And my spouse and I actually wanna give our children a head begin in life and educate them about monetary wellness. So we’re contributing month-to-month to this insurance coverage account for them. And it’s not an enormous sum of money and it doesn’t have to be an enormous sum of money. However compounding curiosity makes an enormous distinction. And if you get children occurring this and beginning at an early age, that actually helps them perceive.

The entire thing in regards to the life insurance coverage is that it’s tax-free, identical to the Roth IRA. And, you already know, for me, I earn an excessive amount of that I can’t contribute right into a Roth IRA. And as a enterprise proprietor, I perceive I wanna get as a lot of my taxes out of the way in which as doable whereas they’re on sale. So, I personally use for part of my funding technique, this index common life coverage, the place I’m getting that cash right into a tax-free account and it doesn’t have any, form of, phase-outs or restrictions like a Roth IRA does. So the IRS says, “Okay. In case you’re gonna do that, then we’ll can help you try this.” However once more, it’s a bit of little bit of a fancy scenario however perceive that even for those who don’t have earned revenue, or for those who’re a enterprise proprietor and also you’re incomes an excessive amount of cash, or just that you simply simply wanna get my right into a tax-free different to a Roth IRA, there are alternatives for you.

Katie: Acquired it. That is smart. And I do know it’s, like I mentioned, a bit of bit extra advanced, seek the advice of your personal accountant, however for us, like, proudly owning sure companies and the youngsters in a position to work for us at totally different instances in several methods, like, we’re very cautious to trace that. However for anyone who owns a enterprise, there are some methods you are able to do that. Simply be sure to observe the principles in case your children…

Michael: Yeah, that’s the bottom line is observe the principles, speak to an accountant or a CPA, however there are issues on the market that you are able to do. And also you don’t have to observe the plenty. As a result of numerous instances, simply going a bit of off the crushed path and understanding that there are higher choices, and that they’re not generally mentioned as a result of they’re not big moneymakers, that’s gonna be higher for you versus for the advisor.

Katie: Acquired it. After which for my understanding, since it is a retirement car, there’s penalties for those who wanna take it out early however there’s additionally I consider, like, some exceptions to that. And from my analysis as nicely, like, generally it’s price doing for those who’re in a position to make investments by way of a Roth as a result of the penalty can generally be lower than, like, long-term capital features, as an illustration. So, like, I’ve form of needed to weigh these issues. However are you able to give us an outline of that?

Michael: Certain. And are you referring on the Roth IRA or the life insurance coverage account?

Katie: Sorry, on the Roth IRA, after which I positively wanna go deeper on the life insurance coverage facet.

Michael: Okay. Sounds good. So, on the Roth IRA, the IRS means that you can take cash out of your Roth IRA with out the tax and with out the penalty. Once more, speak to a CPA and simply guarantee that it’s best for you. However there are issues like monetary hardship, or for those who’re utilizing the cash to go to high school, or for the primary time residence buy in your life, you can really take cash out of your Roth IRA sooner than 59-and-a-half and never incur any form of IRS penalty for doing that.

Katie: Acquired it. Okay. So now, stroll us by way of a bit of bit extra element on…As a result of that is one thing else I’ve been exploring with you and one of many causes I needed to have you ever on right here is utilizing the life insurance coverage facet, basically as an funding car, as nicely and, form of, simply a few of the tips that associate with that.

Michael: Sounds good. So, there’s a very good guide by Tony Robbins, and it’s known as “MONEY Grasp the Recreation.” And it’s an enormous guide, by the way in which, and a very pleasing learn too. And that’s the factor that I wanna simply, you already know, inform the listeners right here, don’t be intimidated by these things. Simply begin gradual and begin studying. It’s like the rest. However Tony does a very good job about writing the place it’s very easy to know. However it’s I feel on, like, web page 439, he begins speaking about this. And Tony Robbins begins the guide or a chapter on the life insurance coverage by saying, “I used to be launched to this idea by a few of my wealthiest pals.” Now, I feel that Tony Robbins might be a fairly rich man so when he says a few of his wealthiest pals, there are tax methods. And that’s the one factor that, you already know, once more, individuals have to understand is that the rich aren’t doing loopy issues like offshore financial institution accounts or some secret accounts the place they’re hiding cash. They’re really simply paying their taxes proper now as a result of if you return to realizing that taxes are on sale, you wanna get as a lot of your cash into tax-free autos because it is smart for you. That’s precisely what rich persons are doing as nicely.

So, how the life insurance coverage idea works, and once more, I at all times wanna encourage individuals to only speak to somebody who understands this idea rather well. However for those who do a correctly structured life insurance coverage coverage for a part of your retirement plan, it may be top-of-the-line selections that you simply made. And right here’s why. One, if you put cash into the life insurance coverage coverage that I’m speaking about, the expansion is completely tax-free. And that’s an enormous deal. We’ve already mentioned that. However the draw back to having a Roth IRA and pulling cash out previous to 59-and-a-half, such as you had been speaking about, Katie, is that you simply’re gonna get a ten% early withdrawal penalty if it’s earlier than age 59-and-a-half. And that’s on the curiosity. Any cash that you simply put right into a Roth IRA, you’ll be able to at all times take that precept out immediately with none form of penalty. It’s simply the curiosity that may incur a ten% penalty previous to 59-and-a-half.

However with life insurance coverage, there’s really no early withdrawal penalty. The way in which the insurance coverage firms, form of, get round this, is that they do what’s known as a mortgage. And that is why I used to be saying to the listeners that life insurance coverage may be tweaked the very best curiosity for the consumer or the very best curiosity for the insurance coverage agent doing the coverage. You at all times need it to be in your facet however what numerous insurance coverage individuals overlook to say, and I’m giving them the good thing about the doubt there, is that if you take cash out of a life insurance coverage account, they’re not all created equal. Some firms have what’s known as a mortgage provision or a mortgage price, which implies that, yeah, you’re gonna get that cash out of the life insurance coverage completely tax-free identical to the Roth IRA, however for those who don’t take it out with the correct firm, then the flawed firm can cost you anyplace from 3% to eight% per 12 months mortgage curiosity in your cash.

There are numerous actually good firms which have low rates of interest, like 0.5% or 1%. And the insurance coverage firm that I personally use has a assured 0%. So what this implies is that as we’re placing cash in for my spouse, and myself, and my children, and it’s rising over time, if we have to faucet into it for varsity or we wanna faucet into it for, you already know, some household occasion, or simply to make use of for our retirement in some unspecified time in the future down sooner or later that’s tax-free revenue, anytime that we wanna take cash out of that account, if we have now a 0% mortgage provision, what meaning is that we’re not gonna pay any cash in taxes and we’re not gonna pay any charges. The insurance coverage firm is principally simply loaning our a reimbursement to us at a assured 0%. And that makes an enormous deal.

One different factor too, Katie, that your listeners is likely to be fascinated by with the life insurance coverage if it’s correctly structured, you don’t need to disclose money worth life insurance coverage on FAFSA types. So anytime that your children going by way of college and so they’re filling out a FAFSA type to have the ability to get a grant, that doesn’t, by regulation, need to be disclosed. And the unlucky factor is that we don’t need our children who’re working onerous in class to not be eligible to get these grants simply because mother and pop make, you already know, respectable cash of their life. Children needs to be rewarded based mostly on the efforts that they’re placing in. So, I might go down rabbit gap after rabbit gap on this, however simply to maintain it at a high-level overview, I like doing the overfunded life insurance coverage insurance policies after they’re correctly structured as a result of I feel it’s, you already know, mixed with a Roth IRA, top-of-the-line issues that you are able to do. And once more, that’s getting cash into tax-free accounts.

Katie: That is smart. Yeah, it looks like with something, once more, the corollary with well being is the sooner you begin, the higher, definitely on this stuff. And such as you talked about about doing this on your children, even after they’re younger, and it being a lot inexpensive when they’re younger, after which it may well construct for his or her complete life. So it’s such a bonus for them. And I feel that brings a very vital level as nicely that’s actually gonna resonate with lots of people listening. And that’s, like, with regards to all of this, for many people studying this as adults and being cognizant of wanting to have the ability to go on not simply, like, funds, when it comes to cash and a great future to our children, however the expertise and methods to have long-term monetary wellness themselves after they depart residence.

And I do know it is a actually vital space for you as nicely and that you simply and your spouse are very intentional in the way you educate your children about this and the conversations you’ve surrounding cash. I feel that is additionally most likely a tricky level to speak about for lots of households or perhaps dad and mom don’t actually know learn how to, form of, begin these conversations, or learn how to begin instructing these expertise to our children. And I do know it’s actually vital to you. So, what are a few of the ideas you’ll give to folks as they’re studying this themselves to assist their children study and have that sturdy, stable monetary basis as nicely?

Michael: Sounds good. So, go and get your child an ice cream cone after which take an enormous chunk out of it earlier than you hand it to them and say that’s taxes, and watch the response on their face. I’m simply kidding. Don’t try this. However the entire thing about being a mum or dad, you already know, and as of late, it’s so onerous to speak to our children about sure issues, cash being one among them. However you already know what? At school, they don’t speak to individuals about this. I sit on the board of administrators for Junior Achievement of Utah. That’s the place we’re positioned. And Junior Achievement is superior as a result of it principally goes into these colleges and it teaches children nearly cash and teaches them about, you already know, they’ll work onerous and change into something they need in life. Children don’t have alternative in class on a regular basis, like what Junior Achievement is attempting to carry consciousness to. So it’s our job is the dad and mom to show.

Now, right here’s the deal. I don’t need to be a world-class, you already know, bike owner to have the ability to leap on a motorcycle and attempt to educate my children. So, if funds appear formidable to you, then study a bit of bit your self after which educate your children. And children are fairly…you already know, they soak up this, form of, stuff. And I feel they’re gonna watch, you already know, for those who say, “Hey, the explanation why we’re placing cash into this household trip jar is as a result of we wanna get monetary savings or, you already know, when you’ve got a job the place you’re mowing lawns otherwise you’re shoveling snow, encourage them, say, “Look, if we really take a bit of little bit of this cash and put it apart and put it into an account the place it’s gonna develop or simply the truth that you’re saving, it’s going to be so a lot better for you.”

So, I assume my recommendation can be, you already know, you don’t need to be a professional to show somebody and even simply have that dialog. Make it a household occasion the place you’re studying about this, form of, stuff collectively. Possibly simply, you already know, honesty isn’t at all times the very best coverage. So for those who’re that individual the place you don’t know a lot about funds, have a household assembly and say, “Hey, guys, you already know what? I wanna do a brand new factor in the home. I wanna study this collectively. And let’s do some little bit of studying.” And clearly, for the youngsters, hold it at an easier-to-understand degree. However make it a enjoyable factor and present them nearly how as they’re saving and saving or, you already know, doing chores and placing that cash in, it’s gonna develop over time.

Katie: Yeah, precisely. And that’s…I do know you and I’ve talked about this a bit of bit offline as nicely. However you’re proper, college is just not instructing numerous these foundational expertise. And numerous listeners have heard me say on right here, you already know, colleges not essentially instructing numerous foundational life expertise. These are issues that we as dad and mom nonetheless need to be very conscious and cognizant of. And people conversations can occur…Children can perceive a lot from such a younger age. And simply in our household with our bent in direction of entrepreneurship, we form of work all the pieces by way of that form of a mindset. However I feel no matter your investing technique is, no matter this stuff that you simply’re gonna do, it’s an ideal alternative to show your children as you go. Such as you mentioned, you don’t need to be excellent at it to have the ability to begin instructing them, however even simply to offer them that mindset early on in life about consciousness about saving and investing, and never simply spending cash and utilizing their cash to create extra wealth long-term, having that at a younger age is such a bonus.

Michael: And I feel that, you already know, lots of people will say, “Effectively, I don’t, you already know, need my child to deal with cash.” And I’d agree with that. However once more, I made a remark, you already know, in direction of the start of our present right here is that cash is a instrument, and you may actually do good issues and assist individuals with it. And for those who educate your children that, you say, “Look, I’m not attempting to generate profits as a result of I wanna be the wealthiest individual on the planet. I need to use cash to have the ability to bless the lives of different individuals.” And I had talked about about doing, like, charitable issues. The happiest individuals in life are the individuals which are in a position to give away and provides their time or, you already know, monetary sources to lifting different individuals. There’s an outdated saying, “A rising tide lifts all boats.” And I completely consider that.

So, as we’re speaking to our children, and even for us, proper, as we’re on this quest to earn extra money in life, ask your self, “Why will we need to earn extra money?” There at all times needs to be a why. And the why needs to be, “Hey, I wanna have monetary peace and safety. I don’t wanna be stressed in my life. I don’t wanna fear about learn how to, you already know, make ends meet as a result of I went out and purchased a ship or a facet by facet and it was a frivolous buy that I can’t afford.” Be taught your self the why and likewise educate your children the why. And, you already know, going again to that factor, for those who’re not a pleasant individual, cash is a magnifier. It’s gonna enlarge you to a good not nicer individual. And that’s simply gonna trigger emotional turmoil and stress in your life. However for those who can view cash as a instrument and also you view it as I will help individuals, I can bless the lives of different individuals, I really feel like accumulating wealth might be a lot extra aligned from a bodily, and emotional, non secular standpoint than simply attempt to change into the wealthiest individual there’s.

Katie: I fully agree and echo that. After which not solely are we not requiring sources from society to handle ourselves but in addition, like, you mentioned, we have now the power to assist others, which is definitely, a very enjoyable motivator for me, as nicely. And I feel you’ve made such a great level is that the sooner you put together for this, the extra compounding it occurs and also you get to do extra of that all through your complete life. And I’m additionally curious as a result of I’ve been working with you on this. So full disclosure, you might be serving to advise me on numerous these areas, as I study. And for anyone listening, who perhaps these are new matters to you, and so they wanna actually begin getting concerned, what does an optimum situation appear like? If somebody does have some revenue to place into a few of these totally different autos, I’m curious, like, what would you say is simply…? I’m certain there’s, in fact, variation from household to household, however what can be some good overarching locations to start out? And in addition, for those who’re keen to share, what do you do personally?

Michael: Oh, yeah, I’m at all times keen to share. Transparency, I feel, is basically key with all of the shoppers that we work with. So, once more, simply, you already know, as a enterprise proprietor, like your self, numerous my enterprise, I put…excuse me, my development that occurs financially in my life, I reinvest again into our firm. You already know, right here’s a bit of…Okay. And all of your listeners, Katie, they’ve to vow, I’m gonna share a secret proper now, they’ll’t exit and ever repeat that I mentioned this. However right here it goes. I can’t management the inventory market and neither can another advisor that I do know. I really feel so a lot better by saying that. And no, I’m simply joking. However the motive why I’m saying that’s as a result of, in all actuality, we will’t management the market. So, my recommendation for the listeners is, hey, as you’re rising and placing your cash someplace, take into account taking a hybrid strategy, placing a few of your cash into protected autos the place it’s going to continue to grow and even when issues just like the inventory market goes down, you gained’t lose cash. After which for a portion of your cash, it’s okay to have a bit of little bit of an up and down and have a bit of little bit of a curler coaster.

However the place lots of people get freaked out in regards to the inventory market is that they go, “All proper, nicely, I don’t wanna put my cash in right here to look at one thing like 2008 occur once more the place I lose, you already know, 40% of my retirement, like, at a very quick timeframe.” Really, for those who return to this previous March, the inventory market had one of many quickest drops in U.S. inventory historical past. It was down nearly 30%, like, actually inside a matter of weeks. And that was loopy as a result of for those who return to the early 1900s, it had not fallen that quick. When issues like that occur and when there’s a lot volatility, it scares individuals. And, you already know, this is among the triggers why individuals don’t get into saving for retirement or investing as a result of they get paralysis evaluation. And that’s, “Hey, if I put my cash into one thing, what if I lose?” Effectively, take a balanced strategy. Identical to something that you simply do in life, you wanna be balanced. Put some cash in a protected account. Put some cash in an account that’s gonna go up and down.

And, you already know, for me, numerous our retirement nest egg is in that tax-free car that I used to be speaking to you about, the Roth IRA. We now have a Roth 401(ok) at my work that I contribute to as nicely. And I additionally put numerous my very own private cash into the overfunded common life insurance policies. But in addition, after I put cash into my enterprise, that’s me investing in myself. And in some unspecified time in the future, you already know, down the street, my enterprise might be price one thing that I can promote. In order that’s the way in which I have a look at my, you already know, portion of my retirement nest egg. However, you already know, I lose cash in my enterprise, and I name it R&D {dollars}. And what I imply by that’s not as a result of we made poor enterprise selections, however R&D {dollars} for me is, “Hey, let’s strive promoting right here,” or, “Hey, let’s strive, you already know, this monetary piece of software program.” And generally you discover out, oh, shoot, that software program wasn’t nearly as good as what we thought or, hey, you already know, we had been promoting right here, and it wasn’t actually a great place. I imply, we go right into a calculated and we do the very best we will, however the entire level is, is you’ll be able to’t management all the pieces.

So, what I’m attempting to say for the listeners is have the power to place some cash into one thing that gained’t go down after which put some cash into issues that can go up and down, and be okay with the down, and simply know that that’s a part of life. And that for those who’re doing issues persistently, you’re gonna work out what works. Now, one different factor too, Katie, that goes with out saying however it’s actually vital is just not all advisors are created equal. And that could be a actually, actually vital level. And what I imply by that’s that your advisor needs to be a fiduciary and that could be a license. An individual can’t simply say, “I’m gonna be a fiduciary.” And what a fiduciary is, is somebody that morally, legally, and ethically has your finest pursuits at coronary heart. Our agency is a registered funding advisory agency and we’re fiduciaries. And what meaning is that once we give recommendation to our shoppers, it’s in our consumer’s finest curiosity, not as a result of I wanna exit and make a purchase order, so I like to recommend one thing to a consumer so I receives a commission a big fee. We don’t try this.

And when your advisor is a fiduciary, then in the event that they’re not providing you with good recommendation, then there’s some critical repercussions that may include that. There may very well be fines, there may very well be lack of license, or there may very well be jail time. And the unhappy factor is that everybody that’s on this trade that’s coping with somebody’s life financial savings needs to be a fiduciary. And there’s no regulation presently that claims that. So, do some little bit of homework. And for those who’re, you already know, working with an advisor, ask them, “Are you a fiduciary?” And in the event that they’re not, I’d strongly encourage you to work with somebody that’s a fiduciary. So, hopefully, that helps out. I take a balanced strategy to my life and I notice it’s okay to have some issues go up and down, to spend money on myself, spend money on our firm, to strive some new issues. However, you already know, the flip facet of the coin is, “Hey, I don’t wanna put all the pieces in danger.” Once we had been all little children, our mama taught us don’t put all of your eggs in a single basket. You wanna diversify. And that’s precisely what it is best to do.

Katie: Yeah, that’s nice recommendation. And I do know you’ve some sources in your web site for individuals to start out studying extra about these. And I’ll put these hyperlinks within the present notes at wellnessmama.fm for any of you guys listening.

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You talked about Tony Robbin’s guide “MONEY Grasp the Recreation,” which I agree is phenomenal. Are there another sources you’ll advocate to individuals to continue to learn about this?

Michael: You already know, that’s a tough factor as a result of the web is filled with opinions. I feel it’s simply discovering somebody that you simply belief and that can perceive your scenario and be capable to give good recommendation. And that’s the entire thing about my job is that, you already know, we carry individuals on, like I mentioned, which are nearing retirement or presently in retirement. However there are those who we work with that say, “Mike, I’ve no clue the place to start.” And what we actually, form of, geek out on and take pleasure on is saying, “All proper, let’s create this plan for you and present you ways for those who’re doing XYZ the way it could make an enormous distinction.” As a result of for lots of people, even these which are nearing or proper about to cross the end line for retirement, lots of people don’t notice, “Hey, I’ve gained the monetary sport.”

And it’s, form of, like going round a working observe the place you’re working and working and working, and also you’re like, “The place’s the end line?” And when you’ve a plan and somebody, form of, takes all the pieces that you simply’ve carried out, and brings all of it collectively, and also you’re saying, “Hey you already know what? You’ll be able to really retire.” Boy, the peace of thoughts that folks have, you already know, we get those who cry in our workplace as a result of they really feel so good or they’ll name in or write again and say, “I had the very best sleep of my life.” And what I’m telling any listeners is that, you already know, that is likely to be a great distance out for you. That needs to be your objective. That needs to be one thing that you simply work in direction of.

So, I actually like “MONEY Grasp the Recreation” from a monetary standpoint. However I need to share with the listeners a guide that’s actually impacted my life for a very constructive manner. And that’s a guide by an writer named Clayton Christensen. And the guide known as “How Will You Measure Your Life?” And the explanation why I like this guide is as a result of, first off, Clayton Christensen, he was a Harvard professor. And what he did, right here’s form of, like, the backdrop, he would problem his graduating college students with three easy questions to look at, measure, and enhance all elements of their life.

Query primary that he would ask them is, you already know, for them to ask themselves, “How can I make certain that I’ll achieve success and blissful in my profession or life?” Quantity two, “How can I make certain that my relationships with my partner, my youngsters, and my prolonged household, shut pals, and so on. can change into an everlasting supply of happiness of their life?” And the third factor, he says, “How can I make certain that I stay a lifetime of integrity and keep out of jail?” Now, that may shock somebody after I say keep out of jail. He’s not referring to, like, you make a alternative, you’re going to jail. However what he’s referring to is, hey, we have now these, you already know, jails, emotionally, bodily, and mentally. You already know, for those who don’t train and eat poor meals, you’re principally placing your physique in jail or for those who’re getting over into debt that’s pointless, you’re placing your self into this emotional jail. So he’s saying how do you keep out of jail from a complete standpoint? And on a facet notice, I feel there’s a man whose identify was Jeff Skilling, he was with Enron, and I feel all you guys know that identify. He was additionally in Clayton Christensen’s class at Harvard.

So, “How Will You Measure Your Life?” This guide has actually impacted me for a couple of causes. One, clearly, discovering happiness in your life is one thing that everybody is wanting ahead to. You already know, he talks about it in his guide. And that’s, form of, the place I’ve been expounding on that concept is that cash is just not the basis reason for unhappiness, however it turns into an issue when it supersedes all the pieces else. So, with that being mentioned, one of many issues that’s probably the most impacting second of my lifetime of studying this guide is when he talks about household. And, you already know, Katie, this goes into what we had been speaking a couple of second in the past, nearly instructing our children. Clayton Christensen, he actually emphasizes that our position as dad and mom is to organize our youngsters for the long run. And actually, that the tragedy of at present’s tradition is that we’re outsourcing parenting to different individuals, like relations, or nannies, and even the faculties or extracurricular actions.

And we’ve actually overlooked the significance of our time, which is basically the best reward that we can provide one other individual. Investing our time in one other actually is an indication of respect and love. And it supplies this clear sign to others to what’s most vital in your life. And, you already know, once more, simply going again to that complete factor about staying out of jail is we wanna be capable to steadiness our life. And we wanna be capable to select the correct selections as a result of it has a compounding impact identical to cash does, proper. Once we do one thing simply this one time as a result of the marginal price seems to be negligible, we get suckered in, after which we get thus far in our life, and we’re like, “Gosh, how did I get up to now into debt?” Or, “Oh, my gosh, how come I’m so off form?” Or, “Geez, you already know, there’s all these elements, proper, to creating good decisions.” So, that could be a guide that I’d extremely encourage to any listener that desires to enhance relationships or enhance themselves from a holistic standpoint. “How Will You Measure Your Life?” by Clayton Christensen.

Katie: That’s a brand new one. I like the advice. I’ll add that to the present notes as nicely so that you guys can discover it. And I feel that recommendation is so vital too, and ties into the retirement dialog as a result of I hear so usually individuals assume that like, “Oh, I’m gonna do this stuff after I retire.” They usually’re spending all of their time doing different issues now. And I feel this final 12 months particularly has given some individuals much more time freedom, or a minimum of location freedom with regards to work as a result of issues have shifted a lot. However both manner, I feel recognizing early on, I say this, on the finish of each podcast, really, that point is our Most worthy asset. And recognizing that early and treating it as such, we don’t have to attend for retirement to stay elements of the life we wanna stay.

And actually, I feel we’re happier, and more healthy, and contribute higher to different individuals into society once we’re in a position to work these issues in no matter manner we will now. It’s one thing I’ve encouraging my children by way of entrepreneurship as nicely is like, definitely, there are occasions once we’re gonna simply immediately commerce our time for cash however that point can also be a facet of freedom. So to no matter diploma which you could actually shield your time and who you spend it with, that’s actually a really helpful asset. And cash may be made extra however time can’t.

Michael: That’s proper. And once more, I really feel like an important issues in our life are the issues that, you already know, can’t be measured, like the dimensions of a checking account. It’s the power to like, to giggle, to cry, to forgive, to have household relationships, and simply to actually embrace the great that you’ve in your life. As a result of, you already know, Katie, the world is a fairly risky place proper now, from a political standpoint or simply what’s occurring with even the inventory market. There’s numerous uncertainty and it may well create anxiousness, however there’s numerous good. And I actually really feel like if we deal with the great and we take time to have gratitude and replicate on the issues that’s vital to us in our life, we’ll discover happiness.

Now, I’m gonna share with you one last item that my dad shared with me that stood out to me. As my dad at all times mentioned, “Mike, you’re by no means gonna wanna look again in your life and say, ‘Gosh, I ought to have spent extra time on the workplace, or, ‘Geez, I want I’d have made extra money.’” On the finish of the day when all of us are out of time, we’re gonna look again on our life and we’re gonna say, “Was I in a position to steadiness it? Was I in a position to make the world a greater place? Was I in a position to take this future era of children and practice them to be blissful and profitable and to be, you already know, leaders and doers of fine?” And that’s actually what it’s, is start with the top in thoughts and simply work backwards from there. And that applies to your monetary wellness and it applies to your bodily wellness. You gotta begin on the finish and work backwards.

Katie: Completely. And yeah, pertaining to that concept of, form of, that long-term pondering and likewise inversion and determining learn how to remedy issues as a long-term equation. Superb recommendation, and particularly with regards to funds as a result of such as you talked about, it’s onerous to have these issues develop shortly in a single day. However over time, it may be actually astounding what can occur. In a way, the youthful we begin engaged on this stuff and educate our children about this stuff, the extra time freedom and the extra all of this stuff compound later in life. I do know…I discussed I’ll put your web site within the present notes for individuals to seek out you in the event that they wanna get in contact. However are you able to additionally simply tell us anyplace they’ll discover you on-line or one of the simplest ways to attach?

Michael: Yeah, sounds good. So our firm is Capital Wealth Advisors in Lehi, Utah. There may be for some motive a few different Capital Wealth Advisors, however that’s not us. So the very best factor you can do is for those who wanna get in contact and for those who received some questions, I’m very happy to level you in the correct path and assist out, so our web site is capitalwealth.com, capitalwealth.com or you’ll be able to attain out to me on LinkedIn, Michael Stevens, Capital Wealth Advisors. And if anybody would really like, you’re welcome to only give our workplace a name, 801-210-2800. And I recognize you placing all that within the notes. We now have the nicest workers on the planet. So, if it is a daunting factor for you, for those who’re new, simply getting began and also you want some good recommendation, you’re gonna be greeted by the warmest, nicest individuals on the planet as a result of our workers solely works with good individuals as a result of they’re good individuals. Give us a name. We can provide you some path. Even when we don’t work collectively, we’re at all times blissful to pay it ahead and begin individuals out on the correct foot.

Katie: Wonderful. I’ll once more put these within the present notes at wellnessmama.fm. For any of you guys listening while you’re driving or exercising, you will discover the entire issues we’ve talked about there. And I’ll hyperlink to these books you’ve talked about as nicely. I’m excited to take a look at the “How Will You Measure Your Life?” one. I simply put it in my Amazon cart. And Michael I recognize on a private degree you serving to me study all of these items, and particularly your time right here at present and sharing with everybody else. I’m very grateful that you simply had been right here, and thanks.

Michael: Hey, it was enjoyable. And I like instructing individuals and, Katie, you and your loved ones are superior. Thanks a lot for having me on.

Katie: And as I say, and it was reiterated on this episode, I mentioned this each time, thanks for listening, for sharing your Most worthy asset, your time, your vitality with us at present. We’re each so grateful that you simply had been right here, and I hope that you’ll be part of me once more on the following episode of the “Wellness Mama” podcast.

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