Home Health 553: Naveen Jain on the Human Ecosystem and Personalised Optimization of Your...

553: Naveen Jain on the Human Ecosystem and Personalised Optimization of Your Intestine Well being

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Katie: Howdy and welcome to “The Wellness Mama Podcast.” I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com and wellnesse.com, that’s wellness with an E on the tip. And I’m right here right this moment with my buddy, Naveen, who’s an intensely curious entrepreneur who has been taking up some huge, audacious concepts to push humanity ahead. He’s the writer of the award-winning ebook “Moonshots: Making a World of Abundance,” and his present moonshot adventures are Viome and Moon Categorical, which is an area firm. However as a serial entrepreneur, he’s additionally based InfoSpace, Intelius, and Expertise Clever, amongst others.

And his present work is in Viome Life Sciences, which was based in 2016 with a mission of creating sickness non-compulsory by predicting and stopping persistent illness by means of a deeper understanding of a person’s biology at a molecular degree. And it’s constructed on an AI-driven platform that analyzes the interplay between meals, our microbiome, and our human selves to develop precision suggestions to forestall and reverse persistent illness. He’s additionally the vice-chairman of the board at Singularity College, and on the board of XPRIZE Basis. He’s been the recipient of many issues together with Entrepreneur of the Yr, Most Inventive Particular person by Quick Firm, High 20 Entrepreneurs, and lots of extra.

On this episode, we discuss concerning the human ecosystem and customized optimization of your intestine well being and your general well being. We discuss concerning the purpose the intestine impacts the complete physique. Why it’s not simply genetics from our dad and mom however really our ecosystem inside our intestine that controls our physique. Why 70% of the immune system is within the intestine. How microbiome stability begins at beginning and even earlier than. How 90% of serotonin is produced within the intestine, not the mind. What makes up the ecosystem of the intestine. We get fairly granular on this one.

The distinction between DNA and gene expression. How some meals could be good for some individuals and never others, and easy methods to know which is finest for you, but additionally, the universally dangerous meals. Why there are some universality unhealthy ones however not universally good ones. Why he doesn’t suggest harsh merchandise that kill micro organism within the mouth or within the intestine. The true purpose it’s necessary to chew your meals very well earlier than swallowing, and a lot extra. Lot’s of sensible information on this episode. Additionally, numerous hyperlinks to be taught extra within the present notes at wellnessmama.fm, so examine these out. However with out additional ado, let’s be a part of Naveen Jain. Naveen, welcome again.

Naveen: Effectively, Katie, so good to see you lastly after a protracted, very long time.

Katie: I’m so excited we get to have a dialog and get to report it and share it right this moment, and we’re gonna discuss loads about intestine well being and even past intestine well being, how this impacts the well being of the entire physique. Earlier than we do, although, I’d say you’re the one particular person I do know in actual life who has a Moon rock assortment. And so, I’d love so that you can simply discuss this as a result of I feel you’re my solely hobbyist Moon rock collector.

Naveen: Effectively, I feel, Katie, you recognize, to me, the Moon is symbolic. It’s symbolic of what humanity is able to doing. So, to me, going to the Moon is a method of expressing that there’s nothing that’s unimaginable for us to do. Despite the fact that it’s referred to as “Moonshots” that individuals thought was tough, if not unimaginable to do and having, you recognize, now to have the ability to go to the Moon and to me, the gathering of area rocks really was simply merely a passion of capable of maintain one thing in your hand. That could be even earlier than the beginning of our planet. And it offers you some concept of how fragile we’re that if we don’t care for ourselves, our planet, we as humanity might not survive. As a species, we might not survive.

So, you recognize, concept of when somebody says, “I’m actually frightened about our planet,” ask the planet and planet will let you know, “Don’t you are worried about me as a result of we…” Planet will just do nice however human species might not survive. Similar to dinosaurs. And to me, having a Moon rock merely jogs my memory that all of us are linked collectively. When one thing exterior us goes improper, we as inner ecosystem may also be impacted, proper. And that’s coming all the way down to, you recognize, should you take a look at what’s above, so beneath is admittedly what’s exterior the ecosystem and the universe impacts us, and our ecosystem inside us impacts the universe.

Katie: I like that you simply mentioned it like that as a result of I interviewed my oldest son on this podcast a pair hundred episodes in the past when he launched a cookbook and you recognize him as properly. And I requested him that query. You already know, your technology’s gonna face loads within the environmental and local weather stuff. And, I raised this query and he goes, “Effectively, mother, you’re really asking the improper query as a result of the…”

Naveen: Oh, I like it, I like it.

Katie: He mentioned, “The planet is a self-correcting organism. It’s gonna heal itself. It’s only a query of whether or not we get to remain right here when it does. And we must be asking how we could be extra synergistic inside an atmosphere that’s larger than us.”

Naveen: That’s the good reply. That’s precisely how I’d see it that…you recognize, when individuals say, “Aren’t you frightened concerning the planet?” I say, “That’s not the query you have to be asking.” It’s, “Are we frightened concerning the human species?” That’s what we must be asking.

Katie: Which is an ideal segue as a result of that’s one thing that you’re intimately concerned with and I’d say not frightened about however working to resolve. My listeners are fairly well being savvy and perceive or a minimum of have a passing understanding that intestine well being impacts the entire complete physique. However I really feel like this idea is…properly, we’ve recognized features of it for a very long time. We’re seeing a lot extra analysis about it proper now. And we’re…due to firms like Viome, we’ve many extra tangible instruments to really perceive and begin to do one thing about that. However to start out broad, type of give us an outline of what we imply by the well being of the intestine impacts the well being of the entire physique.

Naveen: So, properly, to begin with, you recognize, let’s simply begin from the start. We as human beings should not merely a product of the DNA from our mother and pa. What we’re is a symbiotic ecosystem, and in that ecosystem, 99% of all of the genes which might be really expressed in our human physique should not our personal. They arrive from these microbes which might be in our mouth, in our intestine, throughout us. So, think about…I imply, there’s actually…if we take a look at the human beings as such by way of all of the genes which might be expressed that makes us who we’re, they aren’t people. They’re largely microbial. We’re residing of their world. They don’t dwell in our world, proper.

So, after we perceive that, you recognize, although you possibly can argue that they’re the puppet masters and we’re merely the host or puppet for his or her profit, and you possibly can argue sometime that possibly they really created us to unfold them round, possibly they created us to allow them to rule the world, proper, however in all honesty, we coevolved collectively. In coevolution what occurs is we feed them and we give them a pleasant and heat and comfy place to remain. In flip, they feed us the vitamins that our physique wants to really be wholesome, proper. So, think about from the time a child is born, and I feel that is one thing that most individuals don’t notice, that within the first couple of days of mom’s breast milk is stuffed with oligosaccharides. And that can not be digested by the human physique. That’s there just for the microbes within the intestine to have the ability to convert into vitamins. Which means it’s to create the ecosystem inside us.

Now think about what nature is telling us, that we simply created a offspring and one of the best ways to maintain this offspring wholesome is to not feed it however to feed them who’re going to maintain the offspring wholesome. And because the child goes by means of the beginning canal, that is the primary publicity the infant will get to the entire world of microbiome. It will get…utterly inhales the microbiome because the child’s going by means of beginning canal. And sadly, among the moms for apparent causes find yourself getting a C-section. They really…the infants should not going by means of the identical…they’re uncovered to pores and skin microbiome fairly by means of the beginning canal, the microbiome that they might get by means of the beginning canal. And that may be a basically…the infant, when it’s born, is definitely…the character has created in a method that the microbes get launched into the infant on the time of the beginning and that really now turns into a coevolution course of. And the mom’s breast milk begins to feed these microbes to create this ecosystem.

And because the intestine microbiome begins to get wholesome, it begins to coach our immune system. And I feel that is the basic half that individuals want to grasp. Seventy % of our immune system is alongside our intestine lining. In reality, all of the analysis exhibits that how intestine microbiome is continually coaching our immune system what’s a buddy and what’s a foe, proper. So, in some sense, should you take a look at the human physique, there’s a tube that goes by means of us. There’s a high of the tube in your mouth after which there’s the underside of the tube, and you then begin to take a look at all alongside the strains there’s a large quantity of microbial existence there. And so they in truth are continually interacting with our immune system and the immune system is now understanding when there’s really a pathogen that’s coming by means of the meals or the pathogen that’s coming by means of the surface world, easy methods to react to it. And these microbes are the primary sign that tells the immune methods, “This isn’t good. Go do one thing about it, proper.”

And I feel to me, that symbiotic relationship breaks down when there’s a dysbiosis within the intestine. So, I feel as your son identified, not simply the planet however even the human physique is designed to heal itself. The human physique is designed to be in homeostasis. And any time…and whether or not we reduce our pores and skin or whether or not there’s some sort of pathogen or we get some sort of a illness, it usually is designed to heal itself if our physique is in stability. So, when there are intestine microbial actions and the human host are continually in sync and wholesome and our immune system is wholesome, then our physique will really heal itself. When there’s a dysbiosis or imbalance of the intestine microbiome, that is the place the unease occurs. When your physique is just not comfortable, you get illness which we name illness.

Katie: Yeah, so many necessary factors you simply mentioned to unpack. And I feel the primary being that we actually are extra bacterial than human and also you…right here you mentioned you’re what you eat however it goes up to now past that. It’s not even you’re what you eat and even you’re what you eat-eat, however what your intestine micro organism eats and the way it grows. And I like that you simply introduced up the beginning canal factor as a result of I’m a doula and I’ve really helped in a number of C-section births with feeding the infant, as a result of such as you mentioned, should you don’t…the infant is of course meant to seed their intestine by means of the beginning canal. And if that doesn’t occur, such as you mentioned, they’re seeding to the hospital room, to pores and skin, to doubtlessly disinfectants which might be in that room, all types of issues. And we all know that this intestine micro organism at beginning, increasingly more we be taught, units you up in your complete life. But in addition, the excellent news is…and I do know that Viome does loads of analysis on this. All is just not misplaced should you don’t get an ideal begin. We now have the flexibility to type of get a snapshot and look within the intestine in a very distinctive method after which optimize to enhance somebody’s well being going ahead.

And likewise, such as you mentioned, the physique’s pure state is well being. It’s not usually that we have to do something drastic. We have to get out of our personal method and simply take away the issues which might be maintaining the physique from being wholesome or possibly typically give it little further vitamins to assist get there. Discuss a little bit bit concerning the science of Viome and what we’re testing as a result of this know-how didn’t even exist a pair a long time in the past, and now we’ve such superb knowledge from this.

Naveen: Effectively, it’s very fascinating is this concept of, you recognize…should you return and take a look at couple of a long time in the past, it was really the micro organism and all these organisms had been thought of as an enemy of the human physique. That’s the minute you see them, your job is to kill them as shortly as doable as a result of they’ll’t presumably be there for our good, proper. And as we began to be taught extra concerning the human physique, we realized that almost all of those organisms are literally commensal. They’re imagined to be there they usually in truth…after we feed them issues like, you recognize…in olden days, after we had been residing within the savannas of Africa, we’ll pull out a leaf or we’ll pull out the foundation and eat it. That’s stuffed with fiber. These fibers are literally what our intestine microbes eat, and people intestine microbes, by consuming these fibers, really flip them into quick chain fatty acids. Issues like butyric, issues like acetate, these had been all of the vitamins that our physique wanted.

In reality, should you begin to consider it, 90% of all of the serotonin is definitely produced in our intestine, not in our mind. So, should you actually take into consideration all of the issues which might be being performed within the intestine and the way what occurs within the intestine doesn’t merely keep within the intestine, it really impacts the entire physique together with our mind to coming again to it, Katie, that you simply identified. What occurs in our intestine impacts our temper. So, whether or not it’s a melancholy or anxiousness or, you recognize, you possibly can name them any names you need, you recognize, a lot of this stuff together with autism is now linked immediately into the intestine microbiome. In reality, they’ve performed now the analysis the place they did merely a microbial transplant referred to as a fecal transplant they usually had been capable of in truth present that youngsters with autism, their autistic signs went down by 50% even after two years simply by merely doing the microbial transplant. They had been capable of present while you took an individual that has a melancholy a microbial transplant or anxiousness, it may be transferred just by transferring the microbiome into one other species. And so they’ve performed them in mice they usually’ve performed that in truth in people, and clearly, it was performed by mistake however that’s really the way it occurred.

In reality, what’s actually fascinating is habit. And so they’ve proven the identical factor. They took…there have been 17 individuals on the analysis that had been utterly hooked on alcohol. And people individuals, they gave them a fecal transplant from individuals who really had no habit. And these individuals’s habit went away. Now think about that, that our intestine microbiome are controlling our mind by way of what to do. That’s what the habit is, proper. And I feel that’s actually phenomenal.

And now what we’re studying is each sort of most cancers…in truth what they’ve now checked out is each single stable tumor has microbes inside that tumor. Take into consideration {that a} second, the microbes are contained in the tumor. And what we discovered most fascinating was there’s microbial peptides being displayed on the floor of the tumor. Now, why would a tumor that’s an organism eager to survive would ever show a microbial peptide except it’s there to idiot our immune system into considering that is self and protects the tumor in opposition to the immune system attacking, proper?

Now, think about what…one other factor that’s most fascinating I discovered was while you do immunotherapy, it really works about one-third of the time. And the individuals the place the immunotherapy doesn’t work, within the 70% of the folks that immunotherapy didn’t work, they merely had been capable of do a change of their intestine microbiome and the identical immunotherapy began working. So, our intestine microbiome is just not solely there to maintain us wholesome from all of the illnesses right this moment we name the totally different names. Coronary heart illnesses, it’s coming from our intestine microbes really producing issues like trimethylamine or TMA. TMA will get absorbed within the blood and our liver converts them into TMAO, trimethylamine oxide. In reality, we will now take a look at issues like LDL manufacturing which is a foul ldl cholesterol manufacturing and see how microbial actions and microbial metabolites really change the LDL manufacturing. You’re in a position to take a look at how…what’s occurring in your intestine, how are we altering the inflammatory markers in our host. So, we’re capable of measure the intestine exercise and the human host exercise, all their cytokines. So, we’re each interleukins, we’re the entire inflammatory markers to see how they’re altering with the intestine microbial exercise.

And so, anyway, the purpose I’m attempting to make is that you simply talked about one thing about these micro organism, and I simply need individuals to know the microorganisms should not simply micro organism. They’re predominantly micro organism however additionally they include yeast, viruses and even the RNA viruses or fungus or mildew. All of this stuff are literally the entire ecosystem and the most important half in truth should you seen nearly 10 to 1 if no more is definitely phages. And phages are the viruses that infect the micro organism. And should you take a look at any nature whether or not you’re trying within the swamp otherwise you’re trying on the intestine microbiome, in truth there are 10 occasions extra phages than the micro organism alone. And which means these viruses that infect micro organism are modifying the bacterial…the organism, the features of those micro organism that in truth adjustments how these micro organism behave by way of what features they’re performing.

So once more, what’s actually fascinating is by what organisms are there, won’t ever let you know what’s going on in your physique. In reality, their features are what makes the distinction. Which means what they’re producing can…is admittedly the one factor that issues what these intestine microbes are producing, not who they’re. And I feel, Katie, you in all probability know that loads of the individuals like Akkermansia muciniphila. A number of the firms are promoting them as a probiotic with out realizing that Akkermansia could be good for some individuals and actually it’s the primary purpose for inflicting a number of sclerosis, and it has additionally been immediately linked to Alzheimer’s, proper. So now give it some thought. The identical organism can do one thing good for one particular person and may do one thing actually unhealthy in one other particular person. So, taking one thing blindly, taking any complement, any probiotic, any prebiotic blindly is definitely not good for you as a result of your physique is totally totally different than different particular person’s physique. The identical organism or similar probiotic could be good for somebody and may very well be dangerous for one more particular person. And that’s the most important studying we’ve had within the final six years.

Katie: Yeah, I like that you simply introduced up the fecal microbiota switch as properly. I’ve seen among the science on this and… you recognize, caveat, this isn’t one thing to try at house however it’s fairly superb what they’re undertaking in labs with some actually focused and really particular methods of doing that. And I really feel like in a way, that is additionally one thing you possibly can accomplish with out having to go to that excessive if you recognize what you’re working with. And for the final two years, I’ve been saying, you recognize, early on in well being and wellness, I’d discover out info, learn research and be so excited and write about it, and I’ve realized increasingly more over the past 15 years every thing is so customized and so individualized. And so now when individuals ask me like, “What precisely did you do to reverse your Hashimoto’s?” I say, “You already know, I can let you know what I did however it’s not gonna work the identical for you. It may be an concept with the place to begin however it’s not gonna be your blueprint. Every of our blueprints is gonna be very, very totally different.”

Which is why I like now increasingly more entry to those at-home testing whether or not or not it’s issues like Viome, even now blood testing accessible at house, genetic testing simply so we will have extra info and entry. And I’ve mentioned so many occasions on right here we’re every our personal major healthcare supplier. On the finish of the day, it’s nice to work with medical doctors however we’re every our personal major healthcare supplier. And I really feel like having instruments in our pocket that permit us be more practical at that may actually, actually make a distinction. So, let’s discuss a little bit bit extra concerning the personalization side of this as a result of I additionally am curious…you recognize, I do know you mentioned every thing is so totally different. What’s good for one particular person could be not for one more. Are there any issues which might be type of universally unhealthy that you simply’re discovering in Viome? Like, I’d put possibly processed vegetable oils on the don’t cross listing, however I’m curious what you’re seeing within the knowledge.

Naveen: Yeah. So to begin with, it’s actually fascinating. I feel you phrased it accurately. There isn’t any such factor as common wholesome meals. And which means there isn’t any such factor that’s good for everybody. Which means the identical meals could be good for you or unhealthy for somebody. Nevertheless, there are some common unhealthy issues that you may know. So, there isn’t any common wholesome factor however there are universally unhealthy issues. Sugar is a type of unhealthy issues. There isn’t any one who says, “The sugar is sweet for me, proper.” In order that’s really having a fried, you recognize, fried meals. So, all fried stuff, it’s simply unhealthy for everybody. Consuming loads of sugar, it’s simply unhealthy for everybody. Nevertheless, what we discover most fascinating is that analyzing the human physique and analyzing based mostly on what’s going on and what’s dynamically altering in your physique…and I feel loads of the people who find themselves listening to it, I would like individuals to grasp the distinction between a DNA which is static. So when individuals do their DNA check, it tells you what’s inherently there in your physique. It doesn’t let you know what is definitely happening in your physique. Which means…if, Katie, you enable me, I’m gonna clarify the DNA as a result of I feel to me lots of people get very confused about what DNA is.

So, each a part of our physique is equivalent DNA. Which means you take a look at my hair, you take a look at my eyes, you take a look at my enamel, you take a look at my nails, you take a look at my finger, it’s precisely the identical DNA. Then why is it we don’t have the eyes rising on my fingers and the nails rising on my head? Similar DNA. And the reply is there’s…when some genes are overexpressed, some genes are below expressed, the identical DNA can turn into eye, similar DNA can turn into nail, similar DNA can turn into pores and skin, similar DNA can turn into coronary heart cells or neurons or issues like that, proper. So, level is DNA is like an alphabet and the story you’re writing is definitely what’s being expressed. It’s referred to as RNA. So, RNA tells you the story that’s being written for you proper now and DNA tells you each doable factor that may occur. And that’s one factor.

So, what we do at Viome, Katie, is we take a look at your gene expression and what gene expression tells us is what story your intestine microbes are writing. What story your human host is writing. And now I’m gonna come again and let you know…some information to share with you in direction of the tip. As soon as we perceive all that’s happening, we’re capable of then let you know, “Hey, don’t eat broccoli or cabbage as a result of your sulfide manufacturing in your intestine is just too excessive and the sulfide want sulfates to provide sulfide and the broccoli and cabbage are very excessive in sulfate so it’s best to reduce it down, proper.”

We will let you know that…lots of people will let you know go take vitamin B3. However vitamin B3’s really not good for you when you will have excessive uric acid manufacturing. So don’t take vitamin B3 you probably have excessive uric acid manufacturing. Equally, everybody will let you know, “Hey, take curcumin and turmeric. It’s actually good anti-inflammatory.” It’s. Nevertheless, when your bile acid manufacturing may be very excessive, you don’t wish to take curcumin as a result of it’s going to transform into bile salt that’s gonna trigger extra irritation. Lots of people assume by some means taking NAD or NR, and NMN which is precursor to NAD is definitely enhance your longevity. It’s true for some individuals it could try this, however for others it really will hurt you when you will have excessive mobile senescence, or when you will have excessive inflammatory exercise. You don’t wish to be taking further NAD as a result of that’s gonna enhance the mitochondrial biogenesis that’s going to extend extra free radicals, gonna enhance excessive mobile senescence, proper.

So, the concept actually is that it’s a must to be taught what is occurring earlier than you deal with your physique like a black field. And I feel you’ve mentioned it proper, that we’re simply…we’re the CEO of our personal well being. We’re those who have to know what is occurring in our physique as a result of our major care physician…I don’t learn about you, Katie. Once I go to my major care physician, by the point I begin talking, he’s already writing the prescription. I imply, actually, the phrase he says… “Oh, did you say coughing? Right here it’s. Did you say this? Give me the sick, I’ll provide the capsule.” And that’s all they’re merely doing. They don’t have to…they don’t care to grasp what’s inflicting that to occur in my physique. Like, you had Hashimoto, or should you had any sort of an autoimmune illness, the very first thing they let you know is simply take the immune suppression medicine and suppress the symptom. Not fear about what’s inflicting it, and that may be a elementary drawback that our healthcare system has is that our medical industrial complicated, everybody makes cash after we are sick and nobody makes cash after we are wholesome. And so, we determined to alter that. In my world of the longer term, Katie, we imagine that…I feel similar to you simply mentioned, the way forward for healthcare goes to be delivered at house, not on the hospitals.

And the medicines of the longer term are gonna come from a farm, not a pharmacy. And that’s going to be the most important change you’ll begin to see us taking management of our personal well being. And I feel COVID has been one of many…I’d say should you look again at COVID 10 years from now, will probably be the most important inflection level that occurred in humanity’s notion of that we as people have management our personal actions and our actions have well being penalties.

Katie: Completely. I feel so many good silver linings and instructing moments in COVID and other people spent extra time at house and with their households cooking dinner at house. There have been loads of nice outcomes, as onerous because it was for many individuals. I feel we will deal with these positives. And I like your rationalization of DNA and the way it goes past simply your genetics. It’s about how they’re expressed and the way that’s managed within the intestine. And I’d like to go a little bit bit deeper about Viome as a result of I do know I talked to you years in the past about this and also you guys have made some huge advances since then. So, discuss type of the snapshot of what Viome is testing after which how individuals are making adjustments based mostly on that and what they’re seeing.

Naveen: Sure. So clearly, Katie, a few years in the past we did a intestine intelligence chart that merely measured your intestine well being. After which we realized that that was actually good however it didn’t inform us how these intestine adjustments had been impacting us and the human physique. And so, we now launched…about two years in the past throughout COVID really, we launched our well being intelligence check that measures your blood and it measures your stool, and by doing the finger prick blood, so that you don’t must go to a lab. It’s a easy finger prick blood, couple of drops of your blood. And your starch of your stool. We’re capable of now take a look at each your intestine well being and your human host and capable of now let you know what’s your organic age. And that tells you not solely, you recognize, how properly or how poorly your physique is getting older in comparison with your chronological age.

So, to provide you an concept, I’m now gonna be 63 in September and my organic age is all the way down to 50. And that tells you that actually that my physique is performing on the degree after I was 50. And I really feel it. I run up the steps two stairs at a time and I’ve extra vitality than in truth I had after I was 50. And that merely tells you what your organic age is. Then we offer you immune well being. Which means how properly are you protected in opposition to should you had been to catch flu or chilly or any sort of pathogen, how properly your physique is ready to defend itself? And that’s your immune well being. Your mobile well being. That tells you the way properly your cells are capable of endure the issues which might be happening within the human physique. Mitochondrial well being, that’s your vitality manufacturing unit. How properly the mitochondrial well being is performing as a result of if it’s not, you get mind fog, you are feeling fatigued, you are feeling drained. We offer you clearly your intestine well being.

And now that is one thing new that we’re gonna be launching in June and we’re launching a brand new product referred to as full physique intelligence. And for the primary time, we’re gonna be analyzing all the best way from high of your tube, your saliva, your stool and blood, all three on the similar time. And by that, we’re additionally gonna be capable to present you some further insights corresponding to your coronary heart and metabolic well being. We’re gonna be providing you with your mind and cognitive well being. We’re gonna be capable to present you your oral well being corresponding to your gum well being, your enamel well being and all of the gum, you recognize…leaky gum as a substitute of simply leaky intestine. We’ll be capable to present you the way properly your boundaries of your gums are performing in order that microbes should not going into your blood.

And different factor we do now which we didn’t do till a couple of yr in the past is while you do a check, not solely you get your deep perception what’s occurring in your physique and never simply let you know listed below are the meals which might be good for you and right here is why. Listed below are the meals it’s best to keep away from and why. We used to let you know listed below are the dietary supplements it’s best to take. Now we transcend that, Katie. We’re capable of let you know you solely want 22 milligram of berberine each day. You want 17 milligram of elderberry each day. You want 79 milligram amylase each day. And we undergo each vitamin, minerals, herbs, meals extracts, digestive enzymes, amino acids, probiotics, prebiotics, and we actually make these for you on demand.

There isn’t any premade stuff. Consider it like a compounding pharmacy. There are robotics compounding pharmacy. It says, these capsules are being made for Katie. Go to bin quantity 17, get 17 milligram of elderberry. Go to bin quantity 29, get 27 milligram of berberine. And we actually take all of the strawberry extract right here, put this factor right here. And by the best way, as soon as we get the powder, we make the capsules and ship them off to you each month. And as your physique adjustments, we alter your dietary supplements on the similar time. So, each time you retest, we are saying, “Oh, you don’t want amylase anymore. What you really want is butyrate now,” proper. And we actually are capable of alter your…as your physique is altering, we adapt the diet that your physique wants. And people are the brand new issues that I’m tremendous enthusiastic about.

Different issues that I’m actually, actually enthusiastic about…and we’ve not talked to anybody but about it. We’re gonna be launching in June additionally our most cancers detect. And that is gonna…first time as a client you’ll be capable to spit in a tube and with 95% specificity and 90% sensitivity, we’ll be capable to let you know you probably have any oral most cancers or throat most cancers. After which we’ll be capable to really join you with a physician to have the ability to do one thing about it. So, if you’re above…over 50 years previous or have any historical past of smoking, vaping, chewing tobacco, you’ll be capable to really at house do a check and truly know that you simply’re not at a danger of creating a most cancers proper now. Otherwise you’re creating a most cancers proper now.

Katie: Yeah. That is so innovative and I feel simply to focus on what you mentioned, that is actually fascinating information of mainly machine studying and AI and this adaptive know-how. And since you’ve now examined hundreds and hundreds, in all probability a whole bunch of hundreds of individuals, then the algorithm has entry to all this info so it might probably proceed to get increasingly more specialised and direct with the suggestions and be taught your personal physique over time. So, you’re getting this sort of ongoing, correct image which I feel is so fascinating.

Naveen: Yeah. So, Katie, we’ve analyzed over 350,000 samples already. And that has given us this…you recognize, the a part of being the…a part of that Viome ecosystem is each single one that joins profit from the opposite 350,000 samples that we’ve analyzed they usually contribute to the ecosystem, and our AI and machine studying is continually getting higher. And for each single one that joins profit themselves and advantages the humanity on the similar time as a result of now the extra we be taught, the higher suggestions we will make for everybody. So, earlier than we simply solely might take a look at your stool. Now we take a look at stool plus blood. Now it’s stool plus blood plus saliva. And we’re gonna launch…the following factor might be with urine. After which we’re gonna begin to take a look at different biomarkers in your physique. So, our suggestions get increasingly more exact as we be taught increasingly more concerning the human physique. And our actual hope is, you recognize, in my lifetime we’ll be capable to perceive what causes the onset of a persistent illness and what causes them to progress and to have the ability to stop them from occurring within the first place, to diagnose them early after they really do occur, and to provide you with a remedy for these illnesses. Not merely handle them however to remedy them as soon as for all for every particular person. And that’s going to be the final word aim of our life.

Katie: And I like that you simply introduced up the interplay of all of the totally different microbiomes throughout the physique as properly and the way you’re all of those, as a result of a few of my early analysis was in oral well being and studying as an illustration that strep mutants and the micro organism that trigger gingivitis don’t each exist on the similar time. And it is because we’ve an oral microbiome. And if it will get out of stability in a single course or the opposite, you’re gonna find yourself with these issues. However the reply is just not sterilizing your mouth and killing all micro organism similar to we wouldn’t wish to within the intestine. It’s getting a wholesome oral microbiome that has that ecosystem that it wants. Similar factor with the intestine. And such as you mentioned, you’re these all through the entire physique. I do know your daughter’s additionally performing some fascinating analysis with the vaginal microbiome and I’m excited to talk together with her about that.

However I feel, like we talked about to start with, since our physique is extra bacterial than human, the extra we perceive about these interactions, the extra type of intricate knowledge we will get to make enhancements over time and naturally there can be a most cancers connection right here. You already know, I’ve heard it mentioned that most cancers is a metabolic illness in some half. And it is a method of…as a result of even inside a person, should you’re a metabolic illness, you’re , “Okay, we have to get blood sugar in examine. We have to get blood strain in examine. We have to get weight problems measures in examine.” However the best way to do this’s gonna be totally different for each single particular person.

Naveen: I feel it’s a metabolic and inflammatory illness. So, I imply, it’s precipitated…persistent irritation is a root reason for persistent illnesses. Nevertheless, what causes the irritation in our physique is totally different for every particular person. So although it’s the irritation that could be on the root trigger however the underlying causes for that irritation are very, very totally different. And as you talked about, our daughter is, you recognize…has this firm referred to as Evvy, E-V-V-Y, which seems to be on the vaginal microbiome. And to me, what she’s doing is so phenomenal and particularly your viewers, each single lady ought to try this as a result of that’s actually…goes to be…you recognize, numerous girls endure by means of lots of the illnesses that we as males would by no means perceive. And that to some extent is, you recognize, largely reproductive organ and lots of the occasions the later analysis exhibits that vaginal microbiome is concerned in preterm beginning, within the well being of the infant and all of the issues that you simply talked about because the child goes by means of the beginning canal. All of the issues that come out in truth are contributory from the vaginal microbiome. So, my excessive advice…once more, I’m biased. I feel each lady must be doing the Evvy check, proper.

Now, coming again to the belongings you talked about that, you recognize, human well being is complicated however as soon as we perceive biochemical degree what’s going on, that’s the explanation as a substitute of organisms and as a substitute of DNA, we centered on the gene expression or RNA. We centered on what microbes are producing. Trying on the complete physique. And I feel, Katie, I wanna level out that the merchandise that you simply construct for oral well being are among the finest merchandise as a result of, to me, what’s the greatest gamechanger is individuals thought the organisms had been your enemy. So, they’ve this Listerine. Kills 99% of all of the micro organism in your mouth. For heaven’s sake, don’t try this. While you kill the ecosystem in your mouth, it really destroys the entire digestive tract. And I wanna simply emphasize, you recognize, to individuals when our moms instructed us to chew our meals, she didn’t ask us to chew the meals as a result of they thought the meals was too huge to go down our esophagus, proper. It was really was while you chew your meals, you’re permitting the oral microbiome in your saliva to really predigest the meals, and by predigesting the meals…along with predigesting, it additionally sends the sign to the intestine and to the physique about what’s coming down. So, when it tastes candy, it begins to launch the sign for pancreas to launch the insulin, as a result of it is aware of the candy stuff is coming down.

So, the principle factor is that we have to enable the oral microbiome to predigest the feed so your small gut can now take up the vitamins which might be already predigested. So, when you find yourself…so two issues you should take into consideration right here. And one is when you find yourself burdened and you’re consuming your meals, it doesn’t get correctly digested and right here is why. When you’re burdened, you’re in a struggle or flight response. And the primary factor that occurs while you’re in struggle or flight response is your digestive system shuts down. Keep in mind why it was designed. While you’re operating away from a tiger, at the moment, the physique knew there isn’t any level worrying about digesting your meals as a result of both you’re gonna be lunch for another person otherwise you’re going to outlive. And should you turned lunch for another person, it didn’t matter. And should you survive, guess what? The stress went down and also you moved from sympathetic mode to parasympathetic mode and you possibly can digest your meals.

While you come from work and you’re burdened, what will we inform individuals? Earlier than you eat, do the gratitude. Why is that? It’s since you wish to deliver your physique from sympathetic mode into parasympathetic mode. Eliminate struggle or flight response. By taking the deep breath, by doing the gratitude, what you’re doing is definitely permitting your physique to have the ability to be able to digest the meals. Then while you chew your meals, you’re permitting your saliva and oral microbiome to really predigest your meals. And these are easy methods we realized within the historical tradition however we now know scientifically why did they are saying that, proper. We inform…like, Katie, it’s possible you’ll not know that my mother and pa and our faith, they don’t eat after sundown. And I all the time marvel why would that be. And it seems as a result of you should have three or 4 hours of break after you eat meals earlier than you fall asleep. So, they made that as a faith don’t eat after sundown so as a result of individuals will get three, 4 hours of digestion. So, in truth telling that, you recognize…and that to me was actually the factor that we realized as a part of our tradition. Really, seems we’re very scientific.

And I wanna come again to the oral merchandise. I feel individuals must be actually excited about oral microbiome well being and utilizing the precise oral toothpaste, oral issues that…you recognize, probiotics. And the merchandise, among the merchandise that you’ve got, Katie, are designed to reinforce your oral well being and oral microbial actions or oral microbial ecosystem in your mouth. And I feel everybody who’s listening to it to start out listen as a result of that’s the primary. Your mouth really is the start of your digestive tract. It isn’t merely a gap to your digestive tract. It’s the path of the digestive tract the place the digestion occurs.

Katie: I completely agree. I feel very multifaceted however begin with the mouth is so necessary. And I like a few the belongings you simply talked about about why we don’t digest meals if we’re burdened and we all know, after all, that People dwell in a persistent state of stress usually. And one factor I’ve turn into keen on…you recognize, there’s a purpose many cultures additionally pray or meditate proper earlier than consuming, which additionally helps the physique get into parasympathetic or you possibly can merely do respiration workout routines. Do some field respiration to calm your nervous system. I like that your loved ones naturally from a non secular perspective stopped consuming at sundown. I’ve realized in my very own life that I do nice after I time restricted eat and for a very long time I’d wait and never eat until midday after which eat later within the day. And I seen after I shifted that to consuming and stopping by sundown, I really feel so a lot better and it goes to that time you talked about about letting your physique end digesting earlier than you sleep in order that while you’re sleeping, you could be therapeutic and your physique can get into autophagy and you’ll allocate assets to all of the pure processes the physique has in-built to maintain us wholesome.

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And I additionally wanna piggyback on what you mentioned about the identical purpose we don’t wanna kill our oral microbiome is similar purpose we don’t wanna kill our intestine micro organism as properly however I nonetheless see individuals type of hopping on the bandwagon of those actually harsh cleanses or after all individuals typically take antibiotics for causes whether or not they should or not. And people can each have a reasonably harsh affect on the intestine. And so, I’d love to speak about it. Possibly if somebody is aware of they’ve been on antibiotics earlier than or they know they’ve a intestine challenge associated to actually type of killing a few of these good micro organism. Clearly, Viome helps with this however type of, like, what could be performed? How can we assist repair it?

Naveen: So, very first thing is, you recognize, earlier than you go begin taking loads of issues is to grasp, what’s the state of your intestine micro organism? So do a Viome check, perceive the place it stands. And you then begin to take a look at what you…you recognize, we let you know what are the meals it’s best to eat. And once more, taking loads of the fermented meals particularly while you’re attempting to repopulate or rebootilate your intestine microbiome, actually the issues must be diversification. So as a substitute of simply taking one sort of probiotics, you have to be taking kombucha, the kimchi, the…you recognize, all of the fermented meals you possibly can presumably get your fingers on. So, whether or not it’s a yogurt or, you recognize, a minimum of oat milk yogurt should you can. I imply, I’m a giant fan that I feel dairy…in truth for lots of the individuals, dairy is the massive drawback. Now I’m not saying it’s for everybody however loads of the individuals, dairy may very well be a giant drawback. And the mammalian merchandise really may very well be a giant drawback for some individuals and never for others.

So, I’m not the one who is preaching veganism right here in any respect. What I’m saying is know what is sweet for you. There are lots of people who can eat purple meat for all of their life and dwell to be 100, and the explanation for that’s purple meat incorporates clearly as you all know, choline and carnitine that may get transformed by our intestine microbiome into issues like TMA. And I discussed TMA is the one which will get absorbed within the blood, causes the TMAO which causes the center illness. So, it’s not the purple meat that causes the center illness. It’s the byproduct of how the purple meat is digested in some folks that produce TMA. So, in case your TMA manufacturing is low, it’s best to eat purple meat if you wish to as a result of it’s not gonna hurt you. And that’s actually the purpose is to grasp, don’t merely ban meals and complete class of meals.

One other factor that we realized…we printed a paper having analyzed over 100,000 individuals at the moment on getting older. And what we discovered, Katie, that you could be discover actually fascinating is individuals who had been on these fad diets like, you recognize, keto weight-reduction plan or paleo weight-reduction plan had been the worst offender of their organic age. The individuals who had been on keto weight-reduction plan in truth had been three to 5 years older than their chronological age and the identical is true for paleo weight-reduction plan. It seems that people who find themselves on balanced weight-reduction plan, which means they had been consuming their carbs however not loads however they had been consuming their regular carbs, they had been consuming their protein, they had been consuming their fats they usually had been consuming the protein, they had been far more balanced, had been really higher off biologically than reducing out the entire nutrient group utterly.

Katie: That is smart, that we’d like the range. And I’ve realized increasingly more as properly that I feel the simplistic model all of us realized, hopefully realized in class was about simply type of energy in, energy out. And I’ve heard it mentioned, you recognize, our physique’s not a checking account. It’s a chemistry lab. And so, I now attempt to eat for maximal micronutrient and nutrient density in meals, not simply hitting or not hitting goal calorie ratios as a result of it’s a lot extra various and necessary than that.

And what’s subsequent for Viome? I’m curious as a result of I do know you’re continually doing analysis right here, and such as you mentioned, your aim is to sort out persistent illness in its entirety. So, what’s within the pipeline for you guys?

Naveen: Really, I discussed that subsequent check we’re launching in June is a full physique intelligence. We’re launching a most cancers detect check. And we’re making our dietary supplements and probiotics increasingly more exact for each particular person since we make it for every particular person. We’re, you recognize, attempting to do further exams now and our aim is to launch within the subsequent six months one other check which is gonna be extra, like, a proteomics check as a result of the issues we can not see within the blood as a result of they’re produced some other place. So, can we measure issues, you recognize, the proteins for a Hashimoto illness? Can we measure issues like lipopolysaccharide binding protein that may predict you probably have a leaky intestine by LBP, by CRP which really is completed within the liver? So, we’re going to have the ability to really measure further issues along with simply those that we’re measuring, and the extra info we will be taught, the higher suggestions we make. So, our hope is to proceed to launch these exams that give us higher and higher insights and which means we will make increasingly more exact advice for every particular person.

Final aim actually is to grasp…as you say, the human physique is a chemistry lab. We have now mainly biochemical reactors in our physique. Your physique is a biochemical reactor. And that’s the factor individuals want to grasp that the gene expression tells you what biochemistry is happening within the physique. And that’s a purpose…and actually, Viome is the one firm that does take a look at the gene expression as a result of there isn’t any different firm that has this know-how. And I feel individuals who have listened to your earlier podcast, we talked about, this explicit know-how got here out of Los Alamos Nationwide Lab the place that they had the laboratory for biodefense challenge. And that’s the explanation nobody else can do it as a result of it took 10 years and multibillion {dollars}’ price of assets to develop this know-how. Sadly, we had been very lucky to have the ability to get the license to have the ability to use this know-how to assist the humanity get higher. And if our mission was merely to make cash, we might not have been capable of license this know-how, proper.

So, the very fact right this moment we’re merely centered on making each single particular person be higher. You already know, our mission on day one was what if we might perceive the human biology at a molecular degree so we will stop, diagnose early and remedy these persistent illnesses together with most cancers and getting older? And I feel loads of the individuals who have heard you and I discuss up to now, you recognize that I misplaced my dad to most cancers and that was one of many greatest motivator for me as a result of if I had began this firm half a decade earlier than I did, I might have doubtlessly saved my dad. And, you recognize, having watched him undergo that ache or struggling by means of most cancers I spotted that although I couldn’t save him, I might dedicate my life to saving everybody else. And that might be my method of letting him know that, you recognize, I’m so pleased with what he…how he raised us as a baby and giving us every thing we’ve so we’re capable of save everybody else’s family members whether or not it’s from coronary heart illness or diabetes or melancholy, anxiousness or most cancers.

And my hope actually is that in our lifetime we’ll completely eradicate most cancers from the human physique. And if I had been to make a prediction right this moment, I’ll let you know inside a decade I feel we’ll eliminate most cancers from the human physique.

Katie: That’s a giant declare and I hope we’re on observe for that as properly. I’ve misplaced two prolonged members of the family within the final couple of months alone to most cancers in addition to a few of my grandparents. And it’s no secret that these are all nonetheless very a lot on the rise proper now and I’m certain the persistent stress of the final couple of years is just not serving to that drawback. So, I’m grateful that there are assets such as you, and I’ve performed Viome. I’m doing an up to date one proper now so I can report again with my outcomes on that. However I additionally am gonna make sure that…I do know you’ve supplied a reduction code for the Viome testing. In order that hyperlink might be within the present notes for you guys listening at wellnessmama.fm. You could find the low cost code and the hyperlink on to it there. And to verify I respect your time, there’s a pair final questions I’d like to ask you. The primary being if there’s a ebook or numerous books which have profoundly influenced your life. And if that’s the case, what they’re and why?

Naveen: Yeah, so the ebook that actually influenced me…there’s a ebook by Clayton Christensen, you recognize. I like the person and I noticed him earlier than he died. The ebook he wrote, “How Will You Measure Your Life?” And to me it was such a profound ebook which tells you that it’s a must to be 100% trustworthy. You can’t be 99% trustworthy as a result of as soon as you’re taking a step down of this honesty, it’s a slippery slope and there’s no stopping it. When you make an exception to one thing, there’s simply no going again however there’ll all the time be one more reason to make an exception. And so, it’s a must to focus your self to by no means, ever compromise in your rules that you simply stand for. And that was simply completely a fabulous ebook I learn.

You already know, the ebook that additionally…I imply, clearly I wrote a ebook referred to as “Moonshots” that’s actually about making a mindset of abundance fairly than a mindset of shortage. And the basic perception that I’ve is that there’s nothing that people should not able to doing if we really get our mindset to imagine we will. So, any time when somebody says, “I can or I can’t,” it’s true as a result of it’s as much as them to resolve whether or not they can or they’ll’t. That when you imagine one thing is unimaginable, it turns into unimaginable for you and nobody else. And so, you’re utterly in management. The one factor you possibly can’t do is what you possibly can’t think about. The whole lot else is feasible.

Katie: I like that. I do know you and I each increase our youngsters with that mindset and yours are older and doing superb issues out on this planet already and mine are to start with phases of that. And lastly, what parting recommendation would you want to depart with the viewers right this moment? May very well be associated to one thing we’ve talked about or completely unrelated.

Naveen: I’d say dream so huge that individuals assume you’re loopy. Which means by no means let somebody let you know that you may’t do it. Fall in love with your self as a result of the day you fall in love with your self is the day the world will fall in love with you. Loving your self is just not about being self-conceited. Loving your self is about not searching for another person’s approval to do the issues that imply loads to you. Observe your coronary heart, observe your intestine, take heed to your intestine and observe what it tells you. Discover a function in life. When you discover a function in life, you’ll by no means ever assume it’s work. I rise up each day at 4 a.m., and that’s my recommendation to everybody. Everytime you rise up within the morning, should you’re not leaping out of the mattress, it’s best to stop what you’re doing as a result of that’s not your calling, as a result of while you discover your calling, you’ll not be mendacity down within the mattress. You soar out of the mattress with pleasure wanting to resolve that drawback.

And, Katie, I simply wish to reiterate, I met your children and I do know I keep in mind the oldest one and I gave him the Moon rock at the moment. I’m telling you your children are going to really transfer this humanity ahead. You’re elevating these kids with the mindset that every thing they wish to do, they’ll. And each mom who’s listening to it simply ought to know that parenting is definitely very counterintuitive. And, Katie, you and I’ve talked about it loads of occasions. Like, after we increase our kids, we inform them, “Our love for you is unconditional however our approval is just not.” And what which means is solely is that we’ll all the time love you, we’ll all the time be there for you, however I’m not gonna let you know I’m pleased with you except you do issues that make us pleased with you. And that’s actually the factor about telling the youngsters that their success won’t ever be measured by how a lot cash they’ve within the financial institution. Will probably be measured by what number of lives they enhance. And the humility is an indication of success as a result of should you nonetheless have iota of conceitedness left in you, which means you’re nonetheless attempting to show one thing to your self or another person. And humility tells you not have to do this, proper. And that may be a true signal of success. And all I can say is I’m so pleased with each one among your kids, Katie. And I can not await them to develop up and truly do issues that may make our kids’s and grandchildren’s life higher.

Katie: Oh, thanks a lot for saying that. Individuals who don’t know, you and I first met and actually bonded over really parenting earlier than we ever talked about well being. And we share that similarity. I inform my children each day, “I like you unconditionally and there’s nothing you ever must do to earn my love and there’s nothing you possibly can ever do that might take away from my love.” However you’re proper. Additionally, I would like that, like, their pleasure to come back from inside, like…and I inform them usually, “You should really feel actually pleased with how onerous you labored and it’s essential to…” As a result of I would like them to have that inside them and that self-love.

And that is why I’m so grateful each single day that I get to speak to our viewers that’s listening right this moment of mothers, as a result of I feel mothers have such a tremendous distinctive capacity to actually shift the way forward for humanity by how we guardian our youngsters and by serving to type these future leaders. And for individuals who aren’t already accustomed to you, I’d encourage you to take heed to our previous interview since you inform extra of your story in that one and also you very a lot stroll the stroll of this, of getting constructed all these superb issues after which now serving to your children on their life journeys and your spouse in her personal proper is unbelievable as properly. So very grateful in your complete household and for all that every one of you’re doing on this planet and in your time right this moment. I understand how busy you’re and I’m so grateful you took the time to be right here.

Naveen: Oh, Katie, it’s all the time an honor and a pleasure to be talking with you, and I’m trying ahead to our subsequent dialog.

Katie: And thanks, as all the time, to all of you for listening and sharing your most dear assets, your time, your vitality, and your consideration with us right this moment. We’re each so grateful that you simply did. And I hope that you’ll be a part of me once more on the following episode of the “Wellness Mama” podcast.

 

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